Comments on: The African Presence in the Bible http://marcdav.wordpress.com/2006/07/20/the-african-presence-in-the-bible-2/ Reflections on the biblical themes of Shabbat, Pentecost, Jubilee, and how they relate to Jesus' Kingdom, and whatever strikes my fancy Thu, 03 Jul 2008 23:10:18 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU By: Bibles and Airports » The African Presence in the Bible A Branch in the Vine http://marcdav.wordpress.com/2006/07/20/the-african-presence-in-the-bible-2/#comment-7439 Bibles and Airports » The African Presence in the Bible A Branch in the Vine Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:26:43 +0000 http://marcdav.wordpress.com/2006/07/20/the-african-presence-in-the-bible-2/#comment-7439 [...] To find more information from the source here [...] [...] To find more information from the source here [...]

]]> By: Christian Bruffy-Holmes http://marcdav.wordpress.com/2006/07/20/the-african-presence-in-the-bible-2/#comment-7432 Christian Bruffy-Holmes Sun, 27 Jan 2008 19:27:58 +0000 http://marcdav.wordpress.com/2006/07/20/the-african-presence-in-the-bible-2/#comment-7432 "The point is this, the word Gentile refers to any non-Jew, it is not only applied to those of the Japhetic lineage." Show me once where the term Gentile is applied to Hamitic people. I might of only gave you one example but atleast I did that much. I agree that Jews or Israelites are amongst all the nations in the world and I honestly believe that we are all God’s Children whether Gentile or not. "Further, why does it have to be the King James Bible? It is a notoriously bad translation. It would be much better to refer to either the NAS or the RSV." The main reason I use only the King James Bible is the issue over the term Gentile. I don’t think it is defined correctly by the mainstream (NAS/RSV) but I do think it was used correctly in the King James Bible. I will admit that I am not that familiar with the NAS or the RSV but I do know that they do not use the word Gentile in the same way as the KJV. Separate Topic: Leviticus 18 and the Curse of Ham (Canaan) Do you believe Leviticus 18 explains the phrase to "uncover your father’s nakedness"? Hope to see a new blog or discussion board from you “The point is this, the word Gentile refers to any non-Jew, it is not only applied to those of the Japhetic lineage.”

Show me once where the term Gentile is applied to Hamitic people. I might of only gave you one example but atleast I did that much. I agree that Jews or Israelites are amongst all the nations in the world and I honestly believe that we are all God’s Children whether Gentile or not.

“Further, why does it have to be the King James Bible? It is a notoriously bad translation. It would be much better to refer to either the NAS or the RSV.”

The main reason I use only the King James Bible is the issue over the term Gentile. I don’t think it is defined correctly by the mainstream (NAS/RSV) but I do think it was used correctly in the King James Bible. I will admit that I am not that familiar with the NAS or the RSV but I do know that they do not use the word Gentile in the same way as the KJV.

Separate Topic: Leviticus 18 and the Curse of Ham (Canaan)

Do you believe Leviticus 18 explains the phrase to “uncover your father’s nakedness”?

Hope to see a new blog or discussion board from you

]]> By: chiniyamuti http://marcdav.wordpress.com/2006/07/20/the-african-presence-in-the-bible-2/#comment-7396 chiniyamuti Mon, 14 Jan 2008 00:49:22 +0000 http://marcdav.wordpress.com/2006/07/20/the-african-presence-in-the-bible-2/#comment-7396 christian bluffy-holmes you so convincing me, could you please send me more materials to read about gentiles, my email is zozoemma@yahoo.co.uk God bless you. christian bluffy-holmes
you so convincing me, could you please send me more materials to read about gentiles, my email is zozoemma@yahoo.co.uk
God bless you.

]]> By: marcdav http://marcdav.wordpress.com/2006/07/20/the-african-presence-in-the-bible-2/#comment-6422 marcdav Thu, 04 Oct 2007 12:53:55 +0000 http://marcdav.wordpress.com/2006/07/20/the-african-presence-in-the-bible-2/#comment-6422 Actually, it doesn't, it is ambiguous at best. Actually, it doesn’t, it is ambiguous at best.

]]> By: Melk Zadok http://marcdav.wordpress.com/2006/07/20/the-african-presence-in-the-bible-2/#comment-6264 Melk Zadok Tue, 25 Sep 2007 06:55:58 +0000 http://marcdav.wordpress.com/2006/07/20/the-african-presence-in-the-bible-2/#comment-6264 The book of Amos 9 : 7 will put everything to rest...Bless!!!! The book of Amos 9 : 7 will put everything to rest…Bless!!!!

]]> By: Iris Terrell http://marcdav.wordpress.com/2006/07/20/the-african-presence-in-the-bible-2/#comment-643 Iris Terrell Mon, 16 Apr 2007 19:12:41 +0000 http://marcdav.wordpress.com/2006/07/20/the-african-presence-in-the-bible-2/#comment-643 The history of God's people what a pleasure, to finnaly read it in this year 2007. Keep up the good work may God forever bless this site. Than you The history of God’s people what a pleasure, to finnaly read it in this year 2007. Keep up the good work may God forever bless this site. Than you

]]> By: marcdav http://marcdav.wordpress.com/2006/07/20/the-african-presence-in-the-bible-2/#comment-468 marcdav Sat, 10 Mar 2007 01:48:26 +0000 http://marcdav.wordpress.com/2006/07/20/the-african-presence-in-the-bible-2/#comment-468 The Ethiopian Eunuch was either Jewish or a Jewish proselyte. We even have Jewish converts who were European in Acts 2: 5Now there were staying in Jerusalem God-fearing Jews from every nation under heaven. 6When they heard this sound, a crowd came together in bewilderment, because each one heard them speaking in his own language. 7Utterly amazed, they asked: "Are not all these men who are speaking Galileans? 8Then how is it that each of us hears them in his own native language? 9Parthians, Medes and Elamites; residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, 10Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya near Cyrene; visitors from Rome 11 (both Jews and converts to Judaism). Plus, you cite one passage which is rather ambiguous. The point is this, the word Gentile refers to any non-Jew, it is not only applied to those of the Japhetic lineage. Again, all the name means is "nations". Any non-Jew would be considered a Gentile. Cushites are not Jewish, and hence are Gentiles. Further, why does it have to be the King James Bible? It is a notoriously bad translation. It would be much better to refer to either the NAS or the RSV. The Ethiopian Eunuch was either Jewish or a Jewish proselyte. We even have Jewish converts who were European in Acts 2:

5Now there were staying in Jerusalem God-fearing Jews from every nation under heaven. 6When they heard this sound, a crowd came together in bewilderment, because each one heard them speaking in his own language. 7Utterly amazed, they asked: “Are not all these men who are speaking Galileans? 8Then how is it that each of us hears them in his own native language? 9Parthians, Medes and Elamites; residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, 10Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya near Cyrene; visitors from Rome 11 (both Jews and converts to Judaism).

Plus, you cite one passage which is rather ambiguous. The point is this, the word Gentile refers to any non-Jew, it is not only applied to those of the Japhetic lineage. Again, all the name means is “nations”. Any non-Jew would be considered a Gentile. Cushites are not Jewish, and hence are Gentiles.

Further, why does it have to be the King James Bible? It is a notoriously bad translation. It would be much better to refer to either the NAS or the RSV.

]]> By: Christian Bruffy-Holmes http://marcdav.wordpress.com/2006/07/20/the-african-presence-in-the-bible-2/#comment-467 Christian Bruffy-Holmes Fri, 09 Mar 2007 16:05:18 +0000 http://marcdav.wordpress.com/2006/07/20/the-african-presence-in-the-bible-2/#comment-467 The reason the tribes Ham and Shem share names such as Cush and Sheba is because they intermarried. Remember Abraham socialized with Africans or Hamitic people. He left his people and basically went into Africa. Show me where Ethiopia is regarded as a Gentile Nation. What about the story of the Ethiopian Eunuch, ACTS 8:27. He his not considered a Gentile, he even has the Torah which he reads from (He speaks and reads Hebrew). Why didn’t the apostle of the Gentiles go to Africa, because they were not Gentiles and already had the word of GOD. You Said. "Finally, we see this in Neh. 5:8 “As far as possible, we have bought back our Jewish brothers who were sold to the Gentiles.” The “Gentiles” in question would have been the Babylonians, who were either descendants of Shem (just like the Hebrews) or Cush, whose son Nimrod founded Babylon (Gen. 10: 9-12)." The Gentiles in question would be the Babylonians who were descendents of Elam and Madia, Madia is a son of Japheth who is European. Nimrod was the first ruler of Babylon but African/Hamitic people were eventually pushed South by the combination of Semitic and Japhetic People. You can still see that today where most of North Africa is occupied by Semitic and Japhetic people. Also the New Testament talks allot about Gentiles being uncircumcised. It is well known that Africans have always practiced circumcision. All I ask is that you tell me where the King James Bible refers to Hamitic people as Gentiles or even implies it. In conclusion I will quote the first verse in the Bible where the Term Gentile is used. Take note of GENESIS 10:5. Genesis 10 [1] Now these are the generations of the sons of Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth: and unto them were sons born after the flood. [2] The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras. [3] And the sons of Gomer; Ashkenaz, and Riphath, and Togarmah. [4] And the sons of Javan; Elishah, and Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim. [5] By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations. The reason the tribes Ham and Shem share names such as Cush and Sheba is because they intermarried. Remember Abraham socialized with Africans or Hamitic people. He left his people and basically went into Africa. Show me where Ethiopia is regarded as a Gentile Nation. What about the story of the Ethiopian Eunuch, ACTS 8:27. He his not considered a Gentile, he even has the Torah which he reads from (He speaks and reads Hebrew). Why didn’t the apostle of the Gentiles go to Africa, because they were not Gentiles and already had the word of GOD.

You Said. “Finally, we see this in Neh. 5:8 “As far as possible, we have bought back our Jewish brothers who were sold to the Gentiles.” The “Gentiles” in question would have been the Babylonians, who were either descendants of Shem (just like the Hebrews) or Cush, whose son Nimrod founded Babylon (Gen. 10: 9-12).”

The Gentiles in question would be the Babylonians who were descendents of Elam and Madia, Madia is a son of Japheth who is European. Nimrod was the first ruler of Babylon but African/Hamitic people were eventually pushed South by the combination of Semitic and Japhetic People. You can still see that today where most of North Africa is occupied by Semitic and Japhetic people.

Also the New Testament talks allot about Gentiles being uncircumcised. It is well known that Africans have always practiced circumcision.

All I ask is that you tell me where the King James Bible refers to Hamitic people as Gentiles or even implies it. In conclusion I will quote the first verse in the Bible where the Term Gentile is used. Take note of GENESIS 10:5.

Genesis 10
[1] Now these are the generations of the sons of Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth: and unto them were sons born after the flood.
[2] The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras.
[3] And the sons of Gomer; Ashkenaz, and Riphath, and Togarmah.
[4] And the sons of Javan; Elishah, and Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim.
[5] By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations.

]]> By: marcdav http://marcdav.wordpress.com/2006/07/20/the-african-presence-in-the-bible-2/#comment-456 marcdav Tue, 20 Feb 2007 23:47:38 +0000 http://marcdav.wordpress.com/2006/07/20/the-african-presence-in-the-bible-2/#comment-456 It is true that there are eponymous place names that the Tribes of Ham and Shem share (Cush and Sheba to name two). And it is also true that the term "Jews" comes from Judah (and the term "Hebrew, comes from "Eber"). However, when we get to the NT, "Jew" is a term meant for any person who is a descendant of Jacob (Israel). And in the NT, you would have to have Ethiopia regarded as among the Goyim (nations) or Gentiles. So again, I respectfully disagree. It is true that there are eponymous place names that the Tribes of Ham and Shem share (Cush and Sheba to name two). And it is also true that the term “Jews” comes from Judah (and the term “Hebrew, comes from “Eber”). However, when we get to the NT, “Jew” is a term meant for any person who is a descendant of Jacob (Israel). And in the NT, you would have to have Ethiopia regarded as among the Goyim (nations) or Gentiles. So again, I respectfully disagree.

]]> By: RODRICK BRADLEY http://marcdav.wordpress.com/2006/07/20/the-african-presence-in-the-bible-2/#comment-454 RODRICK BRADLEY Tue, 20 Feb 2007 15:25:37 +0000 http://marcdav.wordpress.com/2006/07/20/the-african-presence-in-the-bible-2/#comment-454 I agree with what Christy Holmes said that the descendants of Ham and Shem were not called Gentiles. There are 12 tribes that were in the land of Israel. The southern tribe was called Judah and from here they were called Jews. When GOD led the Israelites out of Egypt they were 600,000 men not including women and children. These were a mixture of Ham and Shem's descendants. Only the family of Japheth is called Gentiles because they migrated to the coast places like Europe, China, Russia. JESUS told the disciples not to go to the Gentiles which was saved for the Apostle Paul to carry the gospel to them in Rome, Turkey, Spain and other European places. I agree with what Christy Holmes said that the descendants of Ham and Shem were not called Gentiles. There are 12 tribes that were in the land of Israel. The southern tribe was called Judah and from here they were called Jews.
When GOD led the Israelites out of Egypt they were 600,000 men not including women and children. These were a mixture of Ham and Shem’s descendants.
Only the family of Japheth is called Gentiles because they migrated to the coast places like Europe, China, Russia. JESUS told the disciples not to go to the Gentiles which was saved for the Apostle Paul to carry the gospel to them in Rome, Turkey, Spain and other European places.

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